Comments on: Scandal Rocks Shoreline http://shoreline.marshillchurch.org/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/ The latest information on Mars Hill Church | Shoreline Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:22:51 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jason http://shoreline.marshillchurch.org/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/comment-page-1/#comment-549 Jason Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:44:27 +0000 http://voxpopnetwork.com/shoreline/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/#comment-549 Why does baptism need to be fully understood? We're told to do it, so we do it. It's a choice to be made by the person who's being baptized, not something forced upon them as a baby. If we grab an adult and force them under the water in a pool, does that make them baptized? When people are baptized in the bible, they are adults, they're making a choice, and they're taking a stand for God, proclaiming their alligence. I'm trying hard not to get frustrated, but MAN, some people WAY over think things. Just look at Jesus's example. Pure simplicity. He was baptized. So we should be to. Yes, there's other examples in the bible that back up the fact that we should choose to be baptized, but, man, Christ did it! End of discussion! And JD, you shouldn't make humorous comments about people being upset with you not being baptized. This is a serious thing to some people, as well it should be, and you seem to make light of it in the beginning of your blog. Besides, you're a pastor... what bible are you reading, man!?! You hadn't given much thought to being baptized... you must have skipped over that part in your studies. Why does baptism need to be fully understood? We’re told to do it, so we do it. It’s a choice to be made by the person who’s being baptized, not something forced upon them as a baby. If we grab an adult and force them under the water in a pool, does that make them baptized? When people are baptized in the bible, they are adults, they’re making a choice, and they’re taking a stand for God, proclaiming their alligence. I’m trying hard not to get frustrated, but MAN, some people WAY over think things. Just look at Jesus’s example. Pure simplicity. He was baptized. So we should be to. Yes, there’s other examples in the bible that back up the fact that we should choose to be baptized, but, man, Christ did it! End of discussion!

And JD, you shouldn’t make humorous comments about people being upset with you not being baptized. This is a serious thing to some people, as well it should be, and you seem to make light of it in the beginning of your blog. Besides, you’re a pastor… what bible are you reading, man!?! You hadn’t given much thought to being baptized… you must have skipped over that part in your studies.

]]> By: Andy M http://shoreline.marshillchurch.org/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/comment-page-1/#comment-548 Andy M Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:39:05 +0000 http://voxpopnetwork.com/shoreline/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/#comment-548 Thanks Sam. I shall check it out. And thanks Justin for linking to the Mars Hill position - I had a look at it. Appreciate all the arguments, coming from a Baptist background myself, but I no longer agree with that position. Ultimately for me I think that denying baptism to infants requires adopting a too restrictive view of faith and grace. Anyway I've explained my position on my blog linked to above, but obviously still respect the so called "believers only" view of baptism (my problem being with the definition of "believer"). Anyway, as I said above, it's great to know that what unites us is so much greater than those things on which we disagree. Thanks Sam. I shall check it out.

And thanks Justin for linking to the Mars Hill position – I had a look at it. Appreciate all the arguments, coming from a Baptist background myself, but I no longer agree with that position. Ultimately for me I think that denying baptism to infants requires adopting a too restrictive view of faith and grace. Anyway I’ve explained my position on my blog linked to above, but obviously still respect the so called “believers only” view of baptism (my problem being with the definition of “believer”).

Anyway, as I said above, it’s great to know that what unites us is so much greater than those things on which we disagree.

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]]> By: Sam Jarawan http://shoreline.marshillchurch.org/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/comment-page-1/#comment-546 Sam Jarawan Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:24:43 +0000 http://voxpopnetwork.com/shoreline/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/#comment-546 Andy, I just read your post and thought you might be interested in a debate coming up on this topic that I heard about. There's a site called "The Narrow Mind" it's an apologetic internet radio show hosted by Pastor Gene Cook Jr. (www.thenarrowmind.com) out of California. He's got a debate coming up on pado-baptism and was talking about it on show #820 and #821 which are free to download. I think it'll be very interesting. Sam Andy,
I just read your post and thought you might be interested in a debate coming up on this topic that I heard about. There’s a site called “The Narrow Mind” it’s an apologetic internet radio show hosted by Pastor Gene Cook Jr. (www.thenarrowmind.com) out of California.
He’s got a debate coming up on pado-baptism and was talking about it on show #820 and #821 which are free to download.
I think it’ll be very interesting.
Sam

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]]> By: Justin Schaeffer http://shoreline.marshillchurch.org/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/comment-page-1/#comment-544 Justin Schaeffer Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:07:35 +0000 http://voxpopnetwork.com/shoreline/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/#comment-544 Here is Mars Hill's stance on baptism. http://www.marshillchurch.org/audio/MHC_Baptism.pdf Although we have clear beliefs on baptism, we leave some of it up to concience since much of how baptism works is a mystery. Here is Mars Hill’s stance on baptism.

http://www.marshillchurch.org/audio/MHC_Baptism.pdf

Although we have clear beliefs on baptism, we leave some of it up to concience since much of how baptism works is a mystery.

]]> By: Andy M http://shoreline.marshillchurch.org/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/comment-page-1/#comment-543 Andy M Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:29:58 +0000 http://voxpopnetwork.com/shoreline/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/#comment-543 I'm geographically challenged too, like Lay Guy also living in Australia (who would live anywhere else!). Really enjoying getting into some of the Mars Hill music you guys have available for free on your website. It's fantastic! I can't believe how they have transformed some great classic old hymns into modern grunge anthems. Good to keep those old songs alive, keeping those inspiring lyrics but giving the songs a cultural face lift by using a modern genre. Well done. Sorry for my slightly provocative comment above. Where I'm coming from with that comment is that I grew up a Baptist, thinking only believers' baptism was valid (as you seem to as well), but have recently come to firmly believe in infant baptism. I posted about the reasons for my shift <a href="http://andys5.blogspot.com/2007/03/five-reasons-why-i-think-christians.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. So I guess whenever I hear anyone question infant baptism now, my ears prick up! Anyway, while I have quite strong views on baptism, it wouldn't be the first time in history that Christians have disagreed on that topic! It's great to know our unity in the gospel is so much greater than the issues we disagree on. I’m geographically challenged too, like Lay Guy also living in Australia (who would live anywhere else!).

Really enjoying getting into some of the Mars Hill music you guys have available for free on your website. It’s fantastic! I can’t believe how they have transformed some great classic old hymns into modern grunge anthems. Good to keep those old songs alive, keeping those inspiring lyrics but giving the songs a cultural face lift by using a modern genre. Well done.

Sorry for my slightly provocative comment above. Where I’m coming from with that comment is that I grew up a Baptist, thinking only believers’ baptism was valid (as you seem to as well), but have recently come to firmly believe in infant baptism. I posted about the reasons for my shift here. So I guess whenever I hear anyone question infant baptism now, my ears prick up!

Anyway, while I have quite strong views on baptism, it wouldn’t be the first time in history that Christians have disagreed on that topic! It’s great to know our unity in the gospel is so much greater than the issues we disagree on.

]]> By: LayGuy http://shoreline.marshillchurch.org/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/comment-page-1/#comment-542 LayGuy Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:19:21 +0000 http://voxpopnetwork.com/shoreline/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/#comment-542 Pastor JD - you made me laugh with your post. I'm not a member of Mars Hill as I am kind of, well geographically challenged as I live in Australia. If I was in the US, I would move to Seattle just to be part of Mars Hill. So good to see you bite the bullet and lead by example. Hope the water wasn't too cold for you! Pastor JD – you made me laugh with your post. I’m not a member of Mars Hill as I am kind of, well geographically challenged as I live in Australia. If I was in the US, I would move to Seattle just to be part of Mars Hill.

So good to see you bite the bullet and lead by example. Hope the water wasn’t too cold for you!

]]> By: Andy M http://shoreline.marshillchurch.org/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/comment-page-1/#comment-541 Andy M Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:48:33 +0000 http://voxpopnetwork.com/shoreline/2007/06/23/scandal-rocks-shoreline/#comment-541 So why wasn't your baptism as an infant good enough?? So why wasn’t your baptism as an infant good enough??

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